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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Russell Findlay

Item 4 is the continuation of our scrutiny of the provisions in the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I refer members to papers 3 and 4.

I am pleased to welcome to the meeting, albeit virtually, Vicki Bell, who is a member of the Law Society of Scotland’s criminal law committee, and Stuart Murray, who is vice president of the Scottish Solicitors Bar Association. We very much appreciate your taking the time to join us this morning.

I intend to allow up to an hour and 15 minutes for questions and answers. I remind members and witnesses to try to keep questions and answers pretty succinct so that we can fit in as much as possible. I ask members to indicate the witness to whom they are directing their question. If either of our witnesses would like to speak, they can let us know by typing R in the chat box.

We move directly to questions. I open with a fairly general question for you both on what are known as virtual trials or proceedings. After two years of the Covid experience, which has become a bit of a reality, what do you regard as the general pros and cons of the virtual approach? I do not know which of you would like to come in first—I will leave it up to you. Perhaps Vicki Bell would like to go first.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Russell Findlay

Thank you. We will move on to questions from Collette Stevenson.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Russell Findlay

I put on record my apologies to Mr Fulton—[Laughter.] Sorry, I mean Mr MacGregor; I did not get his name wrong deliberately.

Before we move to the next line of questioning, Rona Mackay has a brief question. I would appreciate it if we could keep questions and answers as succinct as possible, given the time that we have left.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Russell Findlay

We move to the next area of discussion, which is time limits in criminal cases. Jamie Greene will ask questions first, followed by Audrey Nicoll, who joins us remotely.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Russell Findlay

There might be one or two areas of questioning that we were not able to cover this morning due to time constraints, which we might follow up in writing with you. If you have any other points that you would like to make, you can put them in writing to us. Thank you for taking the time to join us and for giving such frank and interesting evidence.

We will now move into private session.

11:58 Meeting continued in private until 12:17.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Russell Findlay

Pauline McNeill, who joins us remotely, will ask the next question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Russell Findlay

I will invite questions from members but, first, I will kick off with one of my own. We have received correspondence from the Law Society of Scotland, which you will have seen. It says that the regulations do “nothing to address” a legal aid system that is at “breaking point”. What is your response to that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Russell Findlay

We will now move on to Fulton Mackay, who has some questions on that topic; we will then move on to another area of questioning.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Russell Findlay

I invite the committee to agree to delegate to me the publication of a short factual report on our deliberations on the affirmative SSI that we have considered today. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Russell Findlay

Thank you. We appear to have lost Vicki Bell’s connection, so I ask members to focus their questions on you until she returns. You are in full flow, so that is perhaps a good thing.

We move to questions from Pauline McNeill, who also joins us remotely.