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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

Okay. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

How long are the contracts for?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

When I first raised the tragedy of police officer suicides, the committee was surprised and concerned that they were not being recorded. They had not been quantified or measured in any way whatsoever. Then, last year, an assistant chief constable came to the committee and told us that five officers had died in three years. That information was based on doing “a manual trawl”—to use his exact words—of the databases. In today’s submission, Police Scotland has said that, in the 11 years since its formation, there have been 20 suicides and that that data has come from National Records of Scotland. How confident are you, collectively, of the accuracy of that number and that being the sole source of the data? How many of those 20 officers’ deaths were subject to fatal accident inquiries?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

The SPA also said that it had asked Police Scotland whether work-related matters were potentially a contributing factor in relation to any of the deaths that were known about and that it was satisfied with Police Scotland’s response, which is that they were not a factor. However, the families of officers who died tell me that those very much were a contributing factor. In the light of that, will the SPA look at the matter again? I ask not least because it looks as though there has not been a fatal accident inquiry for any of those tragic deaths.

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Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

The chief constable has just told us about a rise in the number of assaults on Police Scotland officers by under-18s. Just last year, the SPA made a ruling that police cells were

“not an appropriate setting and not in the interests of the child”,

with the definition of “child” being a person under the age of 18.

Does that fairly profound and far-reaching position that the SPA arrived at have some bearing on the uptick in assaults on police officers by under-18s?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

It has not been annual.

We have heard a lot about the work that has been done and about initiatives that are taking place. In no particular order, there is your leadership matters, there are wellbeing champions, there is Police Care UK, act don’t react, timelines, Thrivewise, TRiM, Vivup and a new occupational health contract. That confuses me and I dare say that a front-line police officer will not have the time even to begin getting their head around what that all means. Is there not a danger that it is overly complicated and should be streamlined? What is your view?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

I was going to ask about those two contracts because they are both new. Your submission does not say who is providing the occupational health contract. Do you know who that is?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

In its submission to the committee, Police Scotland says that

“we take steps to ensure that welfare provisions are in place and that investigations are concluded as quickly as possible.”

Is that a fair assessment?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

How many hours would one of your members typically work?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 11 September 2024

Russell Findlay

Without putting a number on it, are you saying that it would not be unusual for your members to work typically more than 40 hours a week?