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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—that was really clear. However, what I am trying to get at is whether, in designing ADP, you at any point considered replicating the best aspects of PIP and DLA to ensure that the ADP transfer system would be much smoother for anyone coming from DLA or PIP as a result of its being able to look at the eligibility criteria across both.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I do not doubt that. That the current DWP system is poor, particularly in the move from DLA to PIP, is well documented, so the Scottish Government’s different approach, which includes protecting people for that bit longer, is hugely welcome.

You said earlier that people will not have to reapply as they have to do in the move from DLA to PIP. Ultimately, however, they will have to reapply; it will just happen later, and then they will have to make an application for ADP, which is what—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I know that both aspects will be welcome, minister. Just in case I forget to do this—as I have in the past, so please allow me to do it just now—I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests as someone who receives PIP and who, I assume, will at some point transfer to ADP.

The aspects that you have just set out are really helpful, but I am still not clear whether you think that some people will be worse off. Can you specifically commit to the no-worse-off principle in this regard?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

But what about the long term?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

You have touched on this already, but my final question is on the support that people will get through the transitional arrangements. Do you have any understanding of the number of people who will need that kind of independent support through the advocacy service or third sector organisations, and have you looked at the capacity that those organisations will require to meet that demand?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning to the panel and thank you for your opening statements, which I found really helpful.

My first question is also for Paul. Will you set out what the effect of a statutory declaration is and give other examples of how they are used in Scotland today?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is ideal. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On your point about regulations, what support and guidance would you be able to offer people who apply for a gender recognition certificate? Have you had any conversations with the Government around the guidance that is mentioned in the bill? In particular, what additional support would you be able to offer to 16 and 17-year-olds?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes, it is very helpful. At what point would you signpost people to the organisations that would provide the broader support? What kind of organisations are they?

You mentioned that you would give information on the consequences of applying for a gender recognition certificate and changing sex. What do you expect that advice to look like?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes, we will come to the other witnesses shortly.

I should have asked this when I had my turn a minute ago, but the question has just occurred to me, so forgive me for going back to what I already asked about.

Do you expect the information that you give out on the consequences of a gender recognition certificate to change significantly if the legislation is passed, or would it continue to be the same kind of information that you give out on the effect of a GRC now?