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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 March 2026
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

I had a question for Duncan Orr-Ewing, but you have responded to most of it in answer to the convener’s questions, so I will ask a follow-up question.

The bill proposes a licensing scheme for using more than two dogs for wildlife control purposes, and individual landowners, farmers and organisations will be able to apply for those licences. However, I am aware that, for some predators, including species such as mink, control measures are efficacious in the long term only if they are done at a landscape scale. How could the approach to species control be improved? Could we take an alternative approach to simply allowing greater numbers of dogs to be used by licence holders in their local area?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

The bill includes an exception for environmental benefit, which would allow, with a licence, the use of two or more dogs for purposes such as eradication of invasive non-native species. However, can you tell me about the environmental harm that can be caused by bringing dogs into an area where, for example, there are ground-nesting birds? That question is for Duncan Orr-Ewing.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

I hear what you say about the way in which the dog is worked, but how often does a dog attack a fox underground?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

I have been made aware of evidence that terriers that do terrier work have scars on their faces. Surely if you put a dog that is in hunt mode underground and it comes up against a fox, they must come into contact. What is the difference between putting two dogs against each other above ground, which is illegal, and putting a terrier underground against a fox in a highly stressful situation?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

How do you prevent the dog from attacking the fox underground?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

Ross Macleod, do you want to come in on that?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

I have a follow-up question for Duncan Orr-Ewing. Should we give more thought to the environmental benefit that wild mammals, such as foxes and badgers, contribute to an area, such as how their digging in the soil contributes to nutrient recycling and moisture retention, helping to prevent flooding and drought and creating habitats for other animals?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

Again, my question is for Duncan Orr-Ewing. The proposed licensing scheme in sections 4 and 8 would allow the use of more than two dogs to search for, stalk, flush, kill or capture a wild animal for a number of purposes related to wildlife management and environmental benefits. However, if the number of dogs was always limited to two, instead of allowing a pack of hounds, that would effectively put an end to mounted fox hunting, which is one of the big motivations behind this bill. Would a hard limit on two dogs have a significant impact on the ability of RSPB to carry out non-traditional work with dogs for conservation purposes?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Ariane Burgess

Please say a bit more. I really do not know your world at all.