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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 15 November 2022
Ariane Burgess
For our second panel of witnesses, we are joined by Kevin Stewart, the Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care in the Scottish Government. Mr Stewart is joined by Ian Turner, deputy director for national care service programme design, engagement and legislation in the Scottish Government, and Anna Kynaston—I hope that I pronounced that right; you can correct me when you speak later. Anna is deputy director for national care service programme design, engagement and legislation, also in the Scottish Government. I warmly welcome the minister and his officials. Before we turn to questions, I invite Mr Stewart to make a brief opening statement.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 15 November 2022
Ariane Burgess
Thank you. Before we move on to questions, I want to correct what I said about Ian Turner’s title. I believe that he is the deputy director for adult social care workforce and fair work. Apologies for mistitling you at the beginning, Ian.
I will open up the session to questions. I appreciate your statement, minister, and I think that we will dig a bit deeper into some of the issues that you touched on. Focusing first on the broad role of local government, what are your views on the purpose of local government? Furthermore, what determines which services should be delivered by local government, and are there other services that could be reformed in such a way?
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 15 November 2022
Ariane Burgess
We move to our colleagues who are joining us online, starting with questions from Marie McNair.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 15 November 2022
Ariane Burgess
That would be super.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 15 November 2022
Ariane Burgess
Item 3 is consideration of a negative instrument. Members will note that a letter from the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth in response to a query that was raised by the Parliament’s legal team is included with the papers.
As this is a negative instrument, there is no requirement for the committee to make any recommendations. As members have no comments on the instrument, are we agreed that we do not wish to make any recommendations in relation to it?
Members indicated agreement.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 15 November 2022
Ariane Burgess
It is great to hear about that flexibility.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 15 November 2022
Ariane Burgess
Thank you very much. Those responses are helpful.
I will move on to questions from Mark Griffin.
09:45Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 15 November 2022
Ariane Burgess
Good morning, and welcome to the 28th meeting in 2022 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I ask all members and witnesses to ensure that their mobile phones are on silent and that all other notifications are turned off.
The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 15 November 2022
Ariane Burgess
Given the current spending challenges, and given that, in real terms, councils now spend about 20 per cent more on social care than they did in 2010, what more could be done, without having a big structural change, to improve the current system and structures? For example, some of you touched on things such as giving IJBs more time to bed in.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 15 November 2022
Ariane Burgess
Will you help the committee by expanding a little on one of the excellent examples?