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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Okay. That may be something for us to explore in the future.

Thank you very much for coming in this morning and giving your perspectives on the issue.

We agreed at the start of the meeting to take the next agenda items in private, so I close the public part of the meeting.

11:09 Meeting continued in private until 11:12.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much, Willie. I was just going to say that.

Marie McNair has questions for Chris. We will then come to Fionna, so if there is anything that you want to say at that point, you are welcome to do so.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

We now turn to item 2, which is to take evidence on building safety, focusing in particular on progress over the past year on the single building assessment pilot programme, responses to the zero valuation of flats in blocks with potentially flammable cladding systems stemming from the external wall system 1 process, and the Scottish safer buildings accord. We are joined for our first panel by Chris Ashurst, who is group co-ordinator at the High Rise Scotland Action Group, and Fionna Kell, who is director of policy at Homes for Scotland.

I will begin. Chris—I will start with a question for you, and then I will come to other committee members. Are home owners and buyers still experiencing problems in moving or obtaining mortgages due to the zero valuation of homes that has been caused by concerns about fire safety? If so, what impact does that have on the people who are affected?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

I have questions for you now, Fionna Kell, and, as I said, you can pick up on anything else that we have covered previously.

The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government wrote to the committee in March 2023, stating that agreement on the safer building accord could not be reached as there was

“an unwillingness of developers to accept the need to work to legal Scottish Building Standards.”

I am interested to know whether that is correct and, if so, how the dispute was overcome.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. That is very helpful.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for that, Annie.

Fionna Kell wants to come in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

I would also be interested to hear an outline, in broad terms, of what is meant by the in-principle agreement on the safer building accord that you reached with the developers.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

I want to come back to the need to look at legislation. Can you say a bit more about that? Is it legislation on tenure?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

I want to come back to the technical questions. In the previous panel, it was interesting to hear from Chris Ashurst and Fionna Kell about risk. At the moment, we have a system in which the grading is high or low, with nothing in between, but there are buildings where the risk is, possibly, lower and the way in which we should assess them might need to be different. Are you considering that and taking it on board?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ariane Burgess

I am glad to hear of your awareness and that that is part of your discussions.

10:30