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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

In that case there is something confusing in the policy memorandum, which may need to be clarified with the Government bill team. I wonder why the memorandum mentions that

“The use of glue to trap birds is an offence”.

Are glue traps used to trap birds?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is super. I do not think that we should be concerned about repeating anything in this committee; we need to repeat things until they come through. I appreciate your response. You highlight the fact that we are an outlier. In the European Union, local authorities have the ability to raise 40 to 50 per cent of their revenue. I think that the message in relation to spheres is getting through—at a Conveners Group meeting, I asked a question of the First Minister, and he used the word “spheres” in his response. As you say, that sets the tone, but how do we put the action in under the tone? When I think about spheres, I think about getting real clarity. That came through at the new deal event. There is a need for real clarity about who is responsible for what areas and who has the power and the fiscal responsibility, and we will be looking for that clarity. Page 30 of your report will definitely be scrutinised heavily.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that; it was good to hear. You talked about boundaries before, but then you unpacked that piece about coterminous boundaries in some places. Again, it brings us back that nuanced approach that we need to look at.

I will now bring in Ivan McKee.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that. I was going to ask whether the overview showed any significant changes in local government finance and performance, but, in a way, you have laid that out already. I will ask a supplementary question about that, and, in response, you can pull out anything else that you want to highlight beyond the recommendation on the fiscal framework.

Given that the Scottish Government has allocated a total of £13.5 billion to local government in this financial year—that is up 3.5 per cent in real terms since 2013-14—can you set out why council budgets are now under such severe strain?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Does anyone else want to come in on any highlights relating to the significant changes?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for highlighting that. There are so many bits to keep track of.

As you are aware, we held a great event with Scotland’s Futures Forum on local government and central Government relationships—some of you were there; in fact, all of you might have been there. A number of people told us that local government is often seen as the delivery arm of central Government rather than its true partner. I am interested in your thoughts on how a new deal could change that and support a relationship that is based on trust. What could a new deal mean for the communities that local government serves?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

You mentioned that it had been recommended that responsibility for non-domestic rates be devolved. My understanding is that there would be concern if you had variation in rates for businesses that have branches in lots of different council areas. That would be a difficult one for them.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Last week, we had a useful meeting with our counterpart committee in Wales. The members told us that, in Wales, there are four corporate joint committees that have a regional approach. They said that we should not adopt that approach too quickly, but it is interesting that, even though Wales is smaller, they have a regional approach for some aspects of decision making.

It comes down to what needs to be decided at a higher level and what needs to be decided more locally. Starting to decide what the decision-making domain is takes me back to the clarity that was called for at our new deal event with the futures forum. There were calls for clarity about which decisions should be made locally, with a more nuanced approach, and which things it makes sense to do at a higher level because we need a regional approach—roads are an example.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

That kind of opens something else up, but I will not go there.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you so much, Alison, for joining us. It has been tremendously helpful. We agreed at the start of the meeting to take the next items on the agenda in private, so, as that was the last public item today, I now close the public part of the meeting.

11:42 Meeting continued in private until 11:59.