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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is great—thanks. I will come back later with another question to delve a bit more into the council tax issue, but thank you for bringing the matter up.

Let us go online. Donna, what are your thoughts on the strengths of the Verity house agreement?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

I bring in Stephanie Callaghan.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will pick up on Jim Gallagher’s point about our needing to get much better on things such as paying attention to the sloppy connections between the Verity house agreement and the national performance framework. What role should the Scottish Parliament, including committees, have in scrutinising the Verity house agreement and the performance of local government?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is great. Thanks. When Jim Gallagher talked about that, I was wondering about specific things. Thank you for giving us something specific.

Jonathan, do you have any thoughts on scrutiny?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

Under agenda item 2, we will take evidence on the new deal with local government. The session is an opportunity for the committee to explore external perspectives on the relationship between central and local government in Scotland. We are joined in the room by Professor Jim Gallagher and online by Dr Jonathan Carr-West, who is the chief executive of the Local Government Information Unit, and Professor Donna Hall CBE, who is a former chief executive officer of Wigan Council and NHS Wigan borough clinical commissioning group. I welcome all of you.

I will start with a broad question. I would be interested to hear what you see as being the strengths of the Verity house agreement and whether you think that it encapsulates an approach that could enable local authorities to respond to the severe challenges that they currently face. If not, what does local government need to succeed?

For ease, I will start with Jim Gallagher in the room.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that, Jonathan. You have mentioned the council tax freeze—indeed, you have all referred to it—and the report that you produced, having spoken to council leaders. What needs to be done now to rebuild trust? That trust might not have been completely trashed, but it might need to be strengthened. What needs to come from central Government in order to restore it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that, Donna. Do you have any comments, Jonathan?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is a good note to end on. It pulls us back to looking at not only the Verity house agreement, but the local government review in its entirety. I have always been keen that we do not lose sight of that piece of community empowerment. There are certainly some things for us to think about on the community wealth building bill and the local democracy bill, which will be introduced soon.

Thank you all. As I said, this has been a constructive session. We have got things to take away and look at and we will see whether we can squeeze in some evidence sessions in the future. I have taken some notes about getting evidence on some of the things that you have said. It has been a very constructive morning and I appreciate your sharing some time with us. Thank you so much.

As we previously agreed to take the next four items in private, that was the last public item on our agenda.

11:04 Meeting continued in private until 13:00.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

There are on-going discussions about council tax in general and its future. You talked earlier about what is happening in Italy and the standing committee that negotiates the funding that comes with policy from central Government—that is what I understood you were saying. We have a local democracy bill coming up this session. I wonder whether that will give us the opportunity to look at whether enough is in place to build on and go in that kind of direction with that bill as a vehicle.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is a way in which technology is helping us to relax a little bit.

Jim Gallagher, I want to comment on a point that you made about making it clear what local government can do under its own steam and about how councils can make things work in their particular geography. Since being in this role, I have recognised how critical that is in Scotland, where we have very different geographies, with so many inhabited islands and areas such as Highland, where people in some places feel that their communities might as well be islands. It is really important to get that clarity, so it was good to hear that from you.

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