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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Again before the summer, we reached a point in the committee where we realised that, if we want some change, it will need to be started on early doors in session 7. I take your point that the revenue neutral approach is about fairness, which is what was managed in Wales. If it can be achieved in Wales, I would hope that we could reach that point here in Scotland.

I believe Meghan Gallacher might want a supplementary on this question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Can I clarify something? You said that reform would not be likely to happen within a decade. Is that within this decade or within 10 years?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

Finally, I will ask a question that I did not have time to ask the previous panel. It concerns an issue that we have been hearing about throughout the whole conversation. I am interested in getting a sense of the progress that has been made on a monitoring and accountability framework, which was a commitment of the Verity house agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Meghan Gallacher wants to ask a supplementary and then I will bring in Jonathan Belford, who can respond to both bits.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

I imagine that, when you do that, you would do consultations as you have done on things such as the visitor levy. Some local authorities have done that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is good. Thank you.

It has been a great conversation. I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for helping us to obtain a greater understanding as part of our pre-budget scrutiny.

That concludes the public part of the meeting.

12:27 Meeting continued in private until 12:44.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

It sounds as though that proactive work is also useful for COSLA’s discussions with the Scottish Government as the budget is being negotiated. Therefore, the mid-January full stop is not the starting point; it is the end of the beginning of the process.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

We are joined by our second panel: Shona Robison, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government; Andrew Connal, who is the local government pay and workforce lead in the Scottish Government; and Ellen Leaver, who is the acting director for local government in the Scottish Government. I welcome the cabinet secretary and her officials to the meeting. We have around 90 minutes for this evidence session, so I will move straight to questions.

We have a number of themes, the first of which is the forthcoming budget. You will be aware that, at the Conveners Group meeting, we asked the First Minister about multiyear funding and had reassurances from him that that would hopefully be forthcoming in the budget. I want to ask for a bit more certainty about that as the issue came up in evidence from COSLA and others.

Across the work that we have been doing on pre-budget scrutiny, we have heard that there is still a need for flexibility. We have moved in that direction, but there are still calls for that. I am interested to hear your views on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that. Willie Coffey, come on in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Staying on the theme of transformation, I will bring in Alexander Stewart.