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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 October 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is helpful to know that you are aware of the issue. We can look into it ourselves.

That brings us to the end of our questions. I thank the witnesses for coming to give evidence, which has been very helpful.

The one bit that has not been so helpful is that we have not got a timeline for the proposed bill. That matters to us so that we can plan our work programme, so we would appreciate hearing about the timeline as soon as possible. I take your point that you have had a lot of analysis work to do, and I get the sense that there are quite a lot of technical considerations, given the complexity of the diverse array of buildings in Scotland.

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to leave the room.

11:25 Meeting suspended.  

11:27 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

We previously agreed to take the next items in private, so I close the public part of the meeting.

11:28 Meeting continued in private until 11:56.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Fulton MacGregor asked whether the move to five-year carbon budgets will have an impact on the expected level of ambition for emission reductions through heat in buildings, which you mentioned. About 20 per cent of our emissions come from housing. Will the shift in how we measure things have an impact, or will you keep doing what you are doing?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Finally, we will move to delivery issues. Willie Coffey has a number of questions on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

When you talked about the air-source heat pump van—which I am well aware of—another couple of questions came to mind.

Earlier, you talked about Scotland having really diverse types of housing. In rural areas, as well as in Edinburgh, we have a lot of historical buildings. How do you handle that? In the committee, we have learned that we need to take a fabric-first approach, but that needs to be balanced with preserving areas where there is conservation. I am particularly concerned about how we fit traditional building skills in the mix in places where we need to keep the vernacular of a community’s buildings.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is an evidence-taking session as part of our inquiry into retrofitting of housing for net zero. As I mentioned, we have 75 minutes for this discussion, so I would be grateful if we could keep questions and answers as succinct as possible.

We are joined by Dr Alasdair Allan MSP, Acting Minister for Climate Action, and Scottish Government officials: Gareth Fenney, who is head of heat networks and investment; Sue Kearns, who is deputy director for heat in buildings policy and regulation; Ross Loveridge, who is head of heat in buildings assessment; and Neal Rafferty, who is head of the heat strategy and consumer policy unit. I welcome you all to the meeting.

I begin by inviting the acting minister to make a brief opening statement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring in Mark Griffin with questions to start on our next theme, which is capital, debt and financial sustainability, I have to ask us all, in the interests of time, to move to more succinct questions and answers.

Mark Griffin joins us online. Mark, come on in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

I have a question about the fiscal framework. In your letter to the committee on 4 December, you stated that

“it may be unhelpful to consider a final version of the Framework to be a desirable objective”.

However, the Verity house agreement stated that a fiscal framework would be concluded by September 2023. You told us on 8 October last year that it was “at an advanced stage”. What has changed since 8 October, and why has it been such a lengthy process?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

That sounds great. Again, at the moment, it is difficult to understand what is going to be happening—it is difficult to conceive of those eventualities abstractly.

Alexander Stewart has a very important question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Willie talked about local authorities being an established partner, but have you given thought to the network of climate action hubs that the Government funds in the community? Could you see the hubs as a vehicle for catalysing more people to take that step?