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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
You say “at all levels”, but that is patently not the case, because you have not been engaged personally. “All levels” would include you, but you have not been in attendance at a single meeting. I find it really odd that you say that you requested that officials attend board meetings—I understand why you made that request—but you did not request that you meet the board. I simply point out that Fiona Hyslop, your predecessor, met the board in person at least twice a year—sometimes three times a year—and that is without the organisation being in a state of chaos and crisis. During the time that you have been cabinet secretary, particularly latterly, it has been clear that the organisation is in deep trouble, but you did not choose to meet the board in the way that you requested your officials to do. Why is that? Do you recognise that that absence of engagement undermines the visibility of ministerial accountability?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
Not by you.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
Dear, oh dear. This is what passes for scrutiny.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
None.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
I just do not want the impression to be left that what the cabinet secretary is saying includes his active involvement in any of this, because it does not.
Can you confirm—
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
Can you confirm whether HES has at any time in the last year operated without a designated accountable officer?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
So if Sir Mark asked you, in support of his office, to appoint a truly independent investigator to come up with recommendations for him and the other members of the board to enact, you would be sympathetic.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
During the time that you have been cabinet secretary, how many times did you meet Hugh Hall in his role as chairman of HES?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
I am sorry, but he does not need to explain it to me.
09:15Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
Right, I will move on.