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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Empire, Slavery and Scotland’s Museums

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

What a museum should be is a very broad question, obviously. I like your description of coming at an issue from different directions. I did not feel that that was the case in the Kelvingrove exhibit that was specifically mentioned. I felt that it was a very single-directional sort of narrative, which led people to pretty bad conclusions about themselves, I think. That is the opposite of what you said. You were talking about how the institutions that you are involved in were causing people harm. We do not want the new ways to cause people harm, either.

I have probably taken up enough time.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Empire, Slavery and Scotland’s Museums

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

So, separate not in the sense of being distinct, but in the sense of being a separate part of something else that brings people through the door?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Empire, Slavery and Scotland’s Museums

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

Do you want to say a bit more about the importance of nuance in the way that we tell the story?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Empire, Slavery and Scotland’s Museums

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

Lucy Casot, is that how you see things?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Empire, Slavery and Scotland’s Museums

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

How did you interpret it?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Empire, Slavery and Scotland’s Museums

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

What would it look like? Describe the experience.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Empire, Slavery and Scotland’s Museums

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

Do you understand, however, the concerns that some people, including me, have about the fact that, as a political activist—you have been very honest and said that you are one—you have chosen the museum space as a vehicle to promote your view of the world? That is not an unfair thing to say, is it?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Empire, Slavery and Scotland’s Museums

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

Absolutely. It is just that, perhaps, the traditional view of a museum, as that of a school, is that you do not go there to be re-educated to a certain way of thinking, but to have your curiosity piqued and your desire for learning enhanced. No?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Empire, Slavery and Scotland’s Museums

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

That makes a lot of sense.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Empire, Slavery and Scotland’s Museums

Meeting date: 28 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

I completely concur with everything that. you just said. It is important that we see the vileness and evil of slavery in the context of what else was happening and the complexity of that issue. That is a vital aspect of education. I am just expressing the concern, which perhaps other people also have, that we should not use this worthy endeavour as a vehicle for political activism, which I personally would not want to see our museum spaces or our schools being used overtly for. That is another point of view.

I started with the question about nuance because I would not like you to think that because I have those concerns, I am a racist or a fascist. In my view, I am neither.