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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 December 2025
Stephen Kerr
—because the disparities that you describe and the unique circumstances of Northern Ireland were well explored by our legal experts and constitutional experts.
In the interest of time, which presses on, I will leave it there. I think that I have made my view clear and I heard the cabinet secretary’s answer to my question. It is a matter of politics and debate, and we are of course about to have an exciting first part of the new year, which will be all about this.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 December 2025
Stephen Kerr
On the reset, cabinet secretary, you mentioned a change of tone in rhetoric and public comment, but you also mentioned meetings. The statistics and the facts would seem to suggest that, since the formalisation of IGR structures post 2022, the number of formal meetings has been pretty consistent. According to the briefing that the committee has received, there were 25 meetings between July 2024 and July 2025, which was the first year of the new Labour Government. There were 23 meetings between January and December 2022, but there were 35 between January and December 2023. That shows that there has been an increase in the number of meetings since the inception of the formal IGR structures.
You also mentioned meetings with the Prime Minister. According to the data, the number of formal meetings that the current Prime Minister has had with the First Ministers is about the same number as Rishi Sunak had when he was Prime Minister. What has actually changed?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 December 2025
Stephen Kerr
As you have rightly said, there is a different formula and business model for the universities up here, none of which has been considered.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 December 2025
Stephen Kerr
Yes, but what is your view?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 December 2025
Stephen Kerr
He also recommended an independent secretariat.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 December 2025
Stephen Kerr
But it is not independent. It is part of the Cabinet Office.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 December 2025
Stephen Kerr
What about the structures that he suggested?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 December 2025
Stephen Kerr
Can you call a meeting of those IGRs?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 December 2025
Stephen Kerr
No, but it could be a catalyst to creating exactly that. You identify the problem—
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 December 2025
Stephen Kerr
That is exactly why I am afraid. I know that it is probably boring to anyone who is watching the committee’s proceedings, but architecture, structures and processes are critical underpinnings to the flow of communication. I sympathise with Angus Robertson given the couple of stories that he has told about the lack of availability for meetings, and I am sure that he is right that that will be news to both of the ministers he identified. However, it suggests that something is inadequate about the current structures and processes.