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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 March 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Was it reported before he phoned you?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is benign, as well. That is the thing.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is exactly why I am afraid. I know that it is probably boring to anyone who is watching the committee’s proceedings, but architecture, structures and processes are critical underpinnings to the flow of communication. I sympathise with Angus Robertson given the couple of stories that he has told about the lack of availability for meetings, and I am sure that he is right that that will be news to both of the ministers he identified. However, it suggests that something is inadequate about the current structures and processes.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Can you call a meeting of those IGRs?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

No, but it could be a catalyst to creating exactly that. You identify the problem—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

For Patrick Harvie’s information, there was a statement yesterday in the House of Commons on Erasmus+. It has been suggested that there was not, but there was.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Whether Scotland will bear some of the reported £8 billion that it will cost for the UK to be part of Erasmus+ has never been discussed either.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

This is important. So the Scottish Government is agnostic about having an independent secretariat.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am surprised to hear that, frankly, given the evidence that the committee has received. I would have thought that the Scottish Government would want to have an independent secretariat.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Talking about a reset is fine, because I know that that is politics—a lot of politics is window dressing, and there has been a lot of good window dressing about the reset—but I do not think that very much has changed in practical terms. Having read the submission you have made to the committee as part of our inquiry, I am really interested to hear exactly how it can be made to work better.

At the end of the day, as you well know, Angus Robertson, I am a unionist; I want the union to work optimally and, currently, I do not think that it could possibly be stated that it does. There must therefore be a better way of doing this. You are at the front end as a minister; your viewpoint is of particular interest to the committee, because you are a Scottish minister, which adds to the interest level, of course.

You are familiar with the work of Andrew Dunlop and the review of intergovernmental relationships that was undertaken. Commissioned by Theresa May, continued by Boris Johnson, and finally published by the Johnson Government, it led to the formalisation of the IGR structures and meetings that we have now. That was a real reset, in the sense that something emerged that had not emerged previously. What aspects of Dunlop’s review do you feel have not been adequately addressed?

I am interested in your view on Dunlop’s work. I am a bit of an enthusiast for what he had to say, because it seemed most pragmatic and functional in addressing the undoubtedly problematic relationships that existed between the UK Government and the devolved Administrations. I am interested to know your take on Dunlop and, where the recommendations have not been implemented, on how delivering them in full might create a genuine or actual reset in the way in which the UK Government and the devolved Administrations work together.