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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is basic stuff such as watertightness.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Okay—I take that point. Nevertheless, it is a huge amount of public money—taxpayer money—at a time when local authorities are closing public libraries, so you will understand that members of the Scottish Parliament will have a keen interest in scrutinising how that money is spent.

Anne Langley, you mentioned, very deliberately, that the review will be about purpose, not process. However, my understanding is that the committee’s recommendation to the Scottish Government—particularly in the light of the shambles of Creative Scotland commissioning a pornography movie for £80,000—was that the review should consider effective governance and transparency. From my reading of that, I presume that that relates to the governance and transparency of Creative Scotland. Is your understanding that that is now not within the review’s scope?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Not on how it operates.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

How were you informed of that? As I said, I am new to the committee, but that seems like a change from what we have heard in the chamber and from what I have understood from my reading of the work of this committee. How were you informed that it is going to be about purpose across the sector and not, apparently, the process by which Creative Scotland operates?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

If I might explain the rationale of my question, convener, I am interested in how Creative Scotland uses all the taxpayer money that it gets. I am anxious to find out from the panel what they learned from the shambles that brought that issue to a head last spring. I think that that is relevant to the taxpayer.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, but my question is about internal processes and procedures. I come from a private sector background, as do a number of other members of the committee, and I am very interested to know what was learned in terms of internal controls in relation to the expenditure of Scottish taxpayers’ money.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Last year, damage was done to the reputation of Creative Scotland.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

You have spelled that out very clearly for the committee.

My next question is for Katerina Brown. I am a little confused about the new business model whereby HES will surrender some of its budget from the Scottish taxpayer in order to exist on a more commercial footing. That is how I understand the plan. However, having read your submission to the committee, I do not know whether, as an organisation, you are in a fit position to do that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

I have a different question for Adrian Turpin, if I might ask it quickly.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Is more charging an option?