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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yesterday, I saw that the Office for National Statistics had said that public sector productivity had gone backwards at a faster rate than has been the case for many years. I am interested in—in fact, I was a little shocked by—what you had to say, Sarah Ronald. You will not have anything to do with the public sector, because of the lack of velocity.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Sarah Ronald suggested in one of her replies that—forgive me, I am interpreting what you said—transparency and accountability slowed innovation in the public sector as people were afraid to take bold decisions in case they ended up in front of a committee.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Give us an example of a country where they have that mentality. Estonia was mentioned earlier. That might be a good one.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Say a bit more about that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

What kind of initiatives are you talking about in primary and secondary schools?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is a massive subject. Do I have time for one more question, convener?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Sarah, you spoke about tooling, data and intellectual property. Basically, you were saying that your data is your sovereign property.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is a critical risk to the future of the economy, is it not? Not doing anything is not an option.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Would it fit if we redesigned our vision of FE and HE more around the idea of—

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is almost a symptom, is it not? There is a deeper diagnosis here. I would like us to speak to some of the real issues that will hold us back as a country, because we are being held back. What are they? What are the root issues that we need to deal with from a political point of view to facilitate the velocity that we need—not just in the private sector where some things are happening, but in the public sector that supports the private sector, which is crucial?