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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

Sorry—I am a bit confused. You say that you accept that there are inaccuracies.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

Those costs are critical to the functioning of what is set out in statute. Will the Government therefore meet the funding requirements in order to make that happen?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

That is a significant comment: the Government will fund all those functions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

I am trying to unpack what COSLA told us about the cost implications arising from what is in the financial memorandum accompanying the bill. As has been said, COSLA highlights the impact on social services from the inaccuracy of the costs.

I am still not clear on whether you accept what COSLA says—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

Okay, convener. I will move on.

Minister, do you also accept the issue with regard to the difficulty—perhaps, in COSLA’s view, the impossibility—of transferring savings that will, theoretically, occur in the criminal justice system into local government, as the convener outlined? What is your response to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

Discrepancies.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

All that I will say to you, minister, is that the recent record of recruitment shows a fall-off in the number of volunteers, particularly in the past few years, so there is a real risk that it will not be possible to recruit the number of volunteers required. It would be responsible of Government to consider what that scenario might look like, given the demand that will be put on the children’s hearings system.

What about training? Are you completely satisfied that the children’s hearings system has the capacity to give the high quality of training that will be required, given the fact that it will be dealing with 16 and 17-year-olds and, perhaps, a different range of offences?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

There will be an increase in demand for children’s hearings of somewhere between 10 and 20 per cent, will there not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

Do you believe that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

I know that that is your answer, so I will move on. There are inconsistencies.