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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Audrey Nicoll

As there are no further questions, I thank the witnesses for their time and their attendance this morning. If you have any additional information that you wish to share with the committee, we will of course be keen to see it.

We will have a five-minute break to allow a changeover of witnesses.

11:25 Meeting suspended.  

11:31 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Welcome back. The next witnesses are Ms Teresa Medhurst, interim chief executive, and Mr Gerry O’Donnell, interim director of finance, for the Scottish Prison Service. Thank you both for attending and for your written submissions, which are available online. I intend to allow an hour and 15 minutes for questions and discussion and I invite Teresa Medhurst to make a short opening statement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I think that Jamie Greene has a question on this issue.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I note that you spoke about the demands on staff, particularly those that arose from Covid but also the general demands that arise from your increased prison population and the different population types for which you care. Will you comment on the staffing challenges that you face from Covid, such as shortages of staff, issues with morale and increased incidences of violence?

We had a helpful visit to HMP Edinburgh earlier this year that helped to focus our thinking about staffing challenges. Issues with recruitment and retention might apply not only to prison staff but, for example, to healthcare workers. I am interested in the short to medium-term budgetary considerations that you have to make to get to a point at which working in the prison sector is a career of choice for many people.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you—that is very helpful. I will hand over to Pauline McNeill, who is interested in an issue to do with cell occupancy.

Before I do that, the clerk has helpfully updated me on the issue of prison construction timescales. I understand that HMP Barlinnie is due to be completed and ready for operation in 2025. As that project was first presented to ministers in 2011, that is a significant timescale. I thought that that information would be of interest, given that we consider that aspect to be a very important issue.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Audrey Nicoll

If you do not mind, I will pull the session back to staffing issues. We will come back to the important issue of drugs, but that will keep the session on track.

Criminal Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2021 of the Criminal Justice Committee. No apologies have been received.

Under item 1, do members agree to take in private item 3, which is consideration of today’s evidence?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Item 2 is consideration of the spending priorities in the justice sector for 2022-23. We will focus today on the Crown Office and then the Scottish Prison Service. I refer members to papers 1 to 3.

I welcome our first panel of witnesses, who I am delighted to see in person: Dorothy Bain QC, the Lord Advocate; and, from the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service, David Harvie, the Crown Agent. We appreciate your taking the time to join us and thank you for your written submissions, which are available online.

I intend to allow about an hour and 15 minutes for questions and discussion. I ask members to indicate which witness they are directing their remarks to. I invite the Lord Advocate to make a short opening statement and, after that, I will ask the Crown Agent whether he wishes to add anything.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much. Do you have anything to add, Mr Harvie?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Audrey Nicoll

I am conscious that this is a really important discussion, but we would like to work through quite a lot of themes, so I would be grateful if people kept their questions and answers as succinct as possible.