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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Our next item of business is an evidence-taking session on tackling online child abuse, grooming and exploitation. This is the committee’s second evidence session on the issue, following our initial consideration in May last year.
I am very pleased to welcome to this morning’s meeting Daljeet Dagon, who is programme manager at Barnardo’s Scotland; Stuart Allardyce, who is director of Stop It Now! Scotland for the Lucy Faithfull Foundation; Wendy Hart, who is deputy director for threat leadership and child sexual abuse at the National Crime Agency; Joanne Smith, who is policy and public affairs manager at the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children Scotland; Detective Superintendent Martin MacLean, who is the head of the national child abuse investigation unit in the specialist crime division of Police Scotland; and Alison Penman, who is a senior manager at Dumfries and Galloway Council, and depute chair of the child protection group of Social Work Scotland. A warm welcome to you all, and thank you for your written evidence. I refer members to papers 2 and 3.
I intend to allow around 90 minutes for this session, so we will move straight to questions. To kick things off, I invite each of the witnesses to make some short opening remarks about the work that their respective organisations are undertaking and have been developing on the issue. I will start with Daljeet Dagon.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thanks very much. Gosh! There was a lot in those opening remarks, and a lot for us to try to unpick in our questions.
I will now open it up to members, who I know have some questions that they want to ask. We will start with Russell Findlay.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I suggest to members that they should direct their questions to specific panel members so that we use our time as efficiently as we can.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Before I bring in Jamie Greene, I will come back to Collette Stevenson’s earlier questioning on the impact on victims’ families. I would be interested, Daljeet Dagon, to hear a little bit about the work of Barnardo’s on supporting children, whether they are victims or are, as Alison Penman mentioned in her opening remarks, becoming perpetrators—for want of a better word—in their own right. What are you seeing in Barnardo’s on that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Martin MacLean has a final word.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Yes, I am happy with that. It is appropriate that we keep track of progress and ask to be updated as and when there are developments. Thank you very much indeed.
That concludes our business in public for this morning. We now move into private session.
12:12 Meeting continued in private until 12:32.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you for that helpful clarification. Jamie Greene wishes to come in, then we will hear from Russell Findlay.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2023
Audrey Nicoll
A very good morning, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2023 of the Criminal Justice Committee. There are no apologies this morning, and Fulton MacGregor is joining us online.
Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take in private item 6, which is consideration of today’s evidence. Do we agree to take that item in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2023
Audrey Nicoll
The next item is consideration of an affirmative instrument. I am pleased to welcome Angela Constance, the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs, and her officials to the meeting. From the Scottish Government, we have Walter Drummond-Murray, who is head of the civil courts unit; Conor Samson, who is justice co-operation policy manager; and Emma Thomson, who is a solicitor in the legal directorate. I refer members to paper 1, and I invite the cabinet secretary to speak to the instrument.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2023
Audrey Nicoll
There is an escalating issue and challenge, so we need to think about how to direct resources to address it.