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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much, minister. That was a very helpful overview.
We will now move to questions. I will ask the first one. Do we understand what the scale of the problem is at the moment in the UK, but also with reference to Scotland? I imagine that it is quite difficult to measure it, although we know that it is escalating. Are there any indicators of the scale of the problem?
Secondly, will you say a wee bit about the challenges that we might face in applying the new legislation?
I appreciate that those are quite big questions, but I would be interested to know the answers to them, given the online sphere that we are looking at.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
A number of members want to come in. Jamie Greene will be first.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 7 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Good morning, and welcome to the 18th meeting in 2023 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Pauline McNeill, and Katy Clark is joining us online.
Our main item of business is consideration of a draft affirmative instrument: the Police Negotiating Board for Scotland (Constitution, Arbitration and Qualifying Cases) Regulations 2023. I am pleased to welcome to the meeting the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs, Angela Constance, and her Scottish Government officials. We are joined by Peter Jamieson and Graham Thomson, from the police division, and Louise Miller, from the legal directorate.
I refer members to paper 1 and annex B in our briefing paper, and I thank the Scottish Police Federation for its comments.
I invite the cabinet secretary to speak to the regulations.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 7 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Finally, I invite members to agree to delegate to me and the clerks the publication of a short factual report on the SSI.
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 7 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
My question was whether you had had sight of the Scottish Police Federation’s submission and had had an opportunity to consider the points that it made about the constitution.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 7 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
That is helpful. I point out that, in its submission, the Scottish Police Federation says that it feels that the proposals are
“relatively strong in our favour and in the spirit of fairness, acceptable to SPF.”
I open the questioning to other members.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 7 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I will pick up and clarify the point about the options for the committee today. We are aware that the Scottish Police Federation has made a number of recommendations for amending the SSI and, as the cabinet secretary has pointed out, it is not possible for a committee to do that, in so far as SSIs come to committee as they are and we either agree them or do not. The only option available to members if they wish to see changes is to vote against the motion or to ask whether there is scope for the SSI to be withdrawn and brought back in a revised version. From what the cabinet secretary has said, she is not minded to do that. I hope that that provides some clarity.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 7 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I will try to pull the discussion together. I appreciate the points that members have made and the cabinet secretary’s responses to them.
It is important to clarify that the federation seems to seek that the wording of the constitution be amended. We have heard—I refer specifically to the update from Louise Miller—that, down the line, the constitution can be amended, which would be a separate process from agreeing the SSI in its current form today.
Is that correct, cabinet secretary?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 7 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thanks very much, cabinet secretary. I hope that that has been helpful and provided some clarity for members.
On that note, I will move on and invite the cabinet secretary to move motion S6M-08783.
Motion moved,
That the Criminal Justice Committee recommends that the Police Negotiating Board for Scotland (Constitution, Arbitration and Qualifying Cases) Regulations 2023 [draft] be approved.—[Angela Constance]
Motion agreed to.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 7 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for joining us.
That concludes our business for the morning. There is no formal committee meeting next week, as planned.
Meeting closed at 10:44.