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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

You have spoken about leadership and the work that is going on to develop that further. Do you think that leadership is an essential part of the overall progress being made, so that things are focused less on complaints and conduct and more on promoting integrity and a strong sense of values and ethics?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

An issue that has been raised in evidence by some witnesses is the fact that quite a number of former police officers work in the PIRC. There are two views on that. One is that it brings experience and knowledge to the function of the PIRC. The other is that it perhaps involves a bit of a conflict. We have heard both sides of that argument. We know that former officers go on to lots of different roles. Do you have a particular view on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

One of the things that I am interested in—I sound like a broken record—is what it is that brings officers and staff into the complaints and conduct space in the first place. I am interested in what it is about their role, their environment or their circumstances that brings them into the process.

We took interesting evidence from Police Scotland yesterday, when its representatives spoke about their awareness that the circumstances and factors could potentially be shifting. Assault allegations are always going to be made against officers and potentially staff, but yesterday’s witnesses spoke in an interesting way about some other issues, such as domestic abuse and the emergence of more sexualised behaviour by officers—a couple of examples spring to mind.

I am interested in what sits behind officers coming to the attention of complaints and conduct, and I am interested in whether you have come across the reasons for that. You have done so many inspections, including on mental health. Have you looked at that as part of your work?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is interesting, and it is good to hear that you have some work planned around domestic abuse later in the year.

Rona Mackay wants to ask a follow-up on that point.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I am not sure that that necessarily relates to the bill. Mr Findlay might want to rephrase the question, and it is up to you, Ms McQueen, if you want to answer it.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. My final question on that is about the bill. From the perspective of the conduct and complaints committee, which provisions in the bill will help to strengthen the work that you have outlined?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I will now open the session up to members and bring in Rona Mackay.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Just for clarification, are you referring to the CAAPD in last week’s evidence session?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I was just about to do that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I have a final question before I bring in other members. The bill is being scrutinised against the backdrop of the previous chief constable’s statement that Police Scotland is “institutionally racist”. Does the bill go far enough in addressing that allegation? Obviously, the bill will not resolve that situation by itself—a lot of other actions will be required—but will the bill make a positive contribution, in light of the previous chief constable’s comments?