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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
A quick one, and then I will bring in Sharon Dowey.
I see that Sharon is okay, in fact.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you for that.
For our final question, I will come first to Lynsey Smith. We have mentioned the prison population a lot. You will recall that, back in the summer, we saw 477 prisoners being released early. The Scottish Government is also consulting on legislation to release certain long-term prisoners early. Presumably, all that will place additional demands on justice social work and other services. I am interested in whether the costs of doing that have been assessed or covered. Where are we with that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
That is really interesting and very helpful. Have you detail on that that you could perhaps share with the committee?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Would members like to come in with any final points?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
The question is, that motion S6M-14590 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you. That will be published shortly.
I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for attending the meeting. I will suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses.
10:39 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Our next item of business is to take evidence from two organisations as part of our on-going pre-budget scrutiny. From Community Justice Scotland, we are joined by Karen McCluskey, chief executive, and Keith Gardner, specialist adviser; and, from Social Work Scotland we have Lynsey Smith, chair of the organisation’s justice standing committee. Welcome to you all.
I refer members to papers 4 and 5. I intend to allow around 75 minutes for this evidence session.
I will start with a fairly broad opening question to get started. I will work from my left, so I will bring in Lynsey Smith then Karen McCluskey and Keith Gardner. What are the main financial challenges that your organisations face, and what are the main things that need to be done in the budget context to address them?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
I will come back with some supplementary questions, but I will move on to Karen now.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
I will focus on work with young people and the budget side of things. There has been some movement on keeping young people out of young offender institutions, and there is a clear understanding that that is the right thing to do. However, that needs to be underpinned with community justice approaches and interventions so that detention is, in essence, a last resort. I am interested to tease out more detail on the importance of that approach and of smart budgeting. Keith Gardner, what more, if anything, do we need to do to make that approach work so that young people do not enter the prison environment?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
It would be interesting and helpful for the committee to see that detail. Thank you.
I am going to bring our session to a close. I thank all our witnesses for their attendance; your evidence has been very helpful and interesting. We will now move into private session.
12:10 Meeting continued in private until 12:40.