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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you for that.
In my opening question to the chief constable, we looked at the benefit of multiyear funding and the three-year plan in the context of spend to save, if you like, and the long-term efficiencies that an investment in capital allocation can bring across a range of different aspects of Police Scotland. I take it that you would be supportive of that.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
That was very helpful—thank you for that. Ben Macpherson, do you have a supplementary question?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
I will bring the session to a close with a final area of questioning, which again comes back to the capital budget. During an evidence session with you all last year, reference was made to planned slippage in managing the capital programme. In essence, that involved allocating more money than was available but assuming that there would be slippage at some point. Is that practice still relied on, what are your views on it and is it a sustainable approach?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
I want to come in on something that we spoke about with the earlier witnesses, which is inefficiencies across the criminal justice system that impact on police staffing and budgets. We spoke about that in the context of court time. In addition to the work that Police Scotland is doing with other parts of the sector, I am interested in hearing from you a wee bit more detail on how you are supporting the effort to pull out the inefficiencies in respect of court time or, indeed, other challenges.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Our next item of business is for the committee to agree to take agenda items 6 and 7 in private. Are we agreed?
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Our next item of business is to continue our pre-budget scrutiny. Our focus today is on policing and we have two panels of witnesses. Our first panel consists of representatives from Police Scotland and I am pleased that we are joined by the chief constable, Jo Farrell; deputy chief constable Jane Connors; and the chief financial officer, James Gray. I welcome them all.
I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I intend to allow around 75 minutes for this panel and I invite the chief constable to make some opening remarks before we move on to questions.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much, chief constable—that is very helpful. I will open up questions to members. As usual, I will come in with the first question, which is about capital funding.
In your comprehensive submission, you indicate that you require capital funding of £83 million to deliver your basic rolling replacement programme of things such as fleet, systems and equipment. You also set out that, in the longer term—up to 2029—you will require capital investment of around £565 million. You explain how investing in areas such as new technologies, improved working conditions and better equipment leads to more efficiency in the service, particularly from the point of view of delivery to the public. In other words, there is a spend-to-save benefit. Could you provide a bit more detail on what those benefits would be and what the impact would be of not receiving the increased capital investment that you have set out?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Good morning and welcome to the 32nd meeting of the Criminal Justice Committee in 2024. We have no apologies today.
Our first agenda item is to welcome Liam Kerr as a new member and to invite him to declare any interests relevant to the work of the Criminal Justice Committee.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
I am sorry to interrupt, but is that £22.5 million the current figure per annum?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 30 October 2024
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you—that is very helpful.
We are up to time, but I know that some members wish to ask supplementary questions. If the chief constable and the other witnesses have a little bit of flexibility, it would be helpful if we could continue for another 10 minutes or so.