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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

I will call Johanna Irvine in on that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

I heard Dr Catriona McMillan giving her evidence. Clearly, the gaining of evidence is exactly what should be happening in this committee, and I am very happy to consider it all. I look forward to reading the committee’s stage 1 report on the bill.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

When we were constructing the bill, we got evidence from and consulted many stakeholders. We have also taken a lot of evidence from Gillian Mackay’s consultation. I think that we are being very specific about areas where we are creating abortion safe zones. As I said before, there will be 30 facilities with a 200m zone around them. That is proportionate.

The other element is section 8 of the ECHR, which deals with privacy; there is a need to ensure that women have privacy to access abortion services in the right manner.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

Police Scotland will provide training for its officers. As the discussion has highlighted, this is a tricky area and we have to make sure that we get it right. As I have said before, the important thing is that we ensure that women who are accessing the services can do so safely and without impediment, alarm or distress. I should also note that Police Scotland is independent of Government.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

When we were constructing the bill, we acknowledged that there would be examples such as you have given—that is, that there could be new hospitals and that locations could change. We wanted to ensure the right speed of response so that the new buildings could be captured and so that a zone could be reduced, if necessary, if a location changed or stopped providing services. We felt that there was a need for a prompt response. However, I know that there has been a lot of discussion, concern and input into the consultation on that point. I would be interested to read the committee’s stage 1 report regarding the views that you have gathered on increasing or decreasing the size of zones.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

I would be very surprised if there was not a consultation, because the legislation currently deals with places that provide abortions under the Abortion Act 1967. If there was a change there, we would need to consult on it.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

Again, I say that I have heard both sides. It is important to show where zones start and finish but, as you have said, there is a point to be made about shining a beacon on where services are provided. We have spoken to the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities about that and we will, as the bill progresses, continue to discuss what we think is appropriate.

Hospitals will be required to have a map on their website showing exactly where the zones are. That is a really important way of publicising them that will ensure that everyone has consistent information.

We are still discussing signage. Again, I am interested to hear what proposals the committee makes in its report.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

Yes. We have said that the zone is 200m.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

Changing the size of zones and creating new zones would require consultation to ensure that it is right to do so. That would also be done in discussion with the health boards because they make the decisions on where to locate their services. Earlier, I said that I would be interested to hear the committee’s views on maximums and minimums, recognising that provisions on those have been brought in in other jurisdictions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Jenni Minto

The work that we have done has looked at evidence from all sides. We have taken strong cognisance of the evidence that has been given by women who have been impacted by walking past such demonstrations or vigils. I go back to the point that I made at the start, which is that the aim of the bill is to protect women who are accessing healthcare that women have been legally able to receive since 1967. The indications that we have heard and the evidence that you have received underline how distressing it can be for women.

In my opening statement, I highlighted that the first time that I came across that was in the early 2000s in Oregon and I saw how it impacted friends of mine, so I come at it from that perspective.

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