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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

That has not been decided on directly and, in a sense, that pre-empts the decision on the financial resolution. However, that is absolutely the case. Again, it brings us back to some of the unknowns about the costings in the bill. I appreciate that there are a number of avenues for funding this. For example, we know that pupil equity funding covers some of the costs for the children and young people.

We know that local authorities currently pay for children to go on residential trips, but that might not be the case if the bill becomes a statute. A prime example is that when the 1,140 hours was rolled out, there were hefty negotiations about the costings for that. It has to be a key consideration.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I cannot give a figure for the cost. I do not know whether my officials will be able to expand on that.

The process would be the regular process for negotiations between COSLA and local government with the Scottish Negotiating Committee for Teachers at a later date. However, I cannot attach a cost to the standard process for teacher contract negotiations.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

It is the standard process for contract negotiations between COSLA, local government and the SNCT. Lewis Hedge might be able to expand on that a little further.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Does that not concern you, convener?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

You can look at it in that way if you want, Mr Ross. Alternatively, we can look at it as there being an unknown figure, so it is difficult to understand the full financial implications in order to produce a financial resolution. As I said, I do not want to pre-empt any decision. However, if you took that stance, I would oppose it and provide an alternative view for you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

Sorry, Mr Briggs, I did not hear your question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

As far as I am aware, those teachers are working on a voluntary basis. I will bring in Lewis Hedge in a second to provide further clarity but, given the fact that the work is voluntary, I do not believe that those negotiations would have to take place. I therefore do not believe that local authorities would have any further information to share in that light.

In relation to engaging with local authorities, I have, as I said, engaged with COSLA on affordability concerns.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

In that case, there would be no vote on it. I will communicate that decision to Parliament by the date that has been given.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I have nothing further to add. I am sorry—I did not realise that there was a question there, Ms Duncan-Glancy.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Natalie Don-Innes

I can say that I am following the normal process for bills.