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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 March 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 17 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

I will direct my opening question to Chris Brodie. I was heartened to read the submission from Skills Development Scotland, because it makes clear the differences between skills gaps, skills shortages and labour shortages. In my opinion, such distinctions are vital if we are to understand the people element of supply chains.

We have already started to explore skills gaps and shortages, and other members might want to ask about those issues. I want to talk about labour shortages. In your submission, you note that labour shortages occur due to there being too few bodies, which could be down to issues of demographics, economic inactivity or reduced inward migration.

I want to understand, on an evidential basis, the specific impact that demographics and a lack of inward migration are having, and which issues that can be perceived as structural we need to address. I would like to know where we are right now, and I have another question about where we will be in the future. What is your opinion on where we are now, and on why we are there?

Lastly, I am sure that the B word—Brexit—might come into it, but I want to understand whether, without inward migration, we can have enough bodies in Scotland.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 17 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

In that case, I will move on to my other area of questioning. I have read the excellent report that Paul Little produced with Audrey Cumberford, and I have a couple of questions about it.

You make a very clear case for focusing on excellence rather than competence and, with regard to WorldSkills, I understand that, as well as being a competition, it develops international standards and therefore enables international benchmarking and increases the competitiveness of the contributing countries. Is that correct? Can you tell us more about the thinking behind the move from competence to excellence that you outline in your report with Audrey Cumberford?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 17 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Yes. I want us to be very specific about the difference between skills gaps, skills shortages and labour shortages, and to understand where we are now with structural issues as far as labour shortages are concerned. As a result, it would be helpful to get on the record and in evidence what you are actually seeing in your area.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 17 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for that comprehensive answer. Perhaps Richard McClelland can add to what Chris Brodie has said by giving us an industry perspective, particularly with regard to demographics and labour shortages.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 17 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

My question follows on from the theme of the role of women and was triggered by Chris Brodie talking about economically inactive workers in his opening remarks. Here is another question about numbers: what percentage of the economically inactive population is made up of women? To what extent do all panel members routinely disaggregate the data that they collect so that they understand the particular impacts on women in the labour market?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

That is a very good point.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

I do not disagree with what you say. The point that I was trying to make is that there is nothing preventing somebody who has done a music degree—often, they will be producing their own music—from switching tack and doing something different. I know that, because I did it. That was 30 years ago, when it was arguably even less common than it is now.

I see that Mark Logan wants to pop back in before I go on to my final question. Mark, do you want to pick up on this thread?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. Needless to say, I strongly agree with you. I see that Paul Hunter wants to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

As a final word, do you have anything to add to that, Paul?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, everybody. It is nice to join you, albeit remotely. I have a couple of short questions.

The first is for Mark Logan. I am interested in your comments about the pace of change, creativity, entrepreneurs and so on. What can be done to utilise the creatives? I say that as someone who initially did a music degree and who quickly came to understand it, and describe it, as precision engineering, due to the accuracy required to produce certain types of music.

Subsequently, I did a postgraduate qualification in IT. I was told at the time, and then at the company for which I eventually went to work, that I had been recruited because of evidence of creativity. The company wanted that creativity in its IT department. Therefore, it seems to me that, in business and in the Government, at whatever level, there is not necessarily the understanding of how creative the creatives are, and how useful they can be in IT.