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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michelle Thomson

As per the English regs.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michelle Thomson

The poor had no lawyers, if you like.

I turn to Mr Drummond. SPVs will be used, and there could be cases where unscrupulous builders set up multiple SPVs. To allude to Mr Henderson’s point, it would become very costly to track that back at some point in the future. How realistically can that practice be stopped and tracked with the powers, given that the regulation of such business structures resides with Westminster?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michelle Thomson

My last question is for Jonathan Henderson. You had quite an exchange earlier with the convener about why we are where we are, in which you mentioned a whole-system approach. You also alluded to the need for culture change in your submission. To what extent—if at all—do you think that the levy might start that process, or does the issue go much deeper than that?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michelle Thomson

Do you want to make any comments, Peter?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michelle Thomson

Convener, I reference my entry in the register of members’ interests.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michelle Thomson

There are quite a few points to pick up on, but let me be absolutely clear. You see it as appropriate to do your campaigning—we accept that, when an issue has come to light, campaigning is absolutely legitimate; nobody has any issue with that—through the mechanisms of the Parliament, including the public petitions committee, which you mentioned, and through members, in order to create that groundswell of opinion, instead of going direct to the media. What are your reflections, from an ethical perspective within the legal profession, on a situation in which a lawyer who is a close friend of a Government minister is able to use that route to seek a public inquiry?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michelle Thomson

Yes, Michael Clancy said that it was unclear whether a lawyer would be exercising their freedom of speech. Compass Chambers said that it would not represent a conflict of interest if the lawyer was advancing their client’s position.

I will link it to the financial element. Lawyers will be advocating for their client’s position. We could make a case that the more successfully they advocate for that position over the maximum length of time, the more appealing it is for them. The convener has already raised our perception of the lack of financial controls. A lawyer could attach themselves to an inquiry that they were able to trigger through successful use of the media. If the inquiry was on-going for a long period of time and the lawyer potentially sought to extend its scope, thereby increasing the length of time that the inquiry would take, the result would be huge fees for the lawyer concerned, which is an appealing position. Can you understand from a public perception point of view why that sort of example would pique the committee’s interest and, ultimately affect the perception of the success or desirability of public inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is good to hear. That is heartening for the committee, notwithstanding the huge sums that have been spent thus far.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michelle Thomson

The point is that the Government states that this will be a hypothecated tax, that is, that all the money that is brought in—whether it will be £30 million remains to be seen—will be recirculated and reused. That is why I did not understand the term “quasi-hypothecation”. In fairness, if it was your colleague who came up with that term, I would be entirely happy for you to write to the committee if you want to give a further explanation. It seems quite clear that it will genuinely be hypothecated. Often, it is not clear, but in this case, it seems to be clear, so is there anything else that you want to add?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Michelle Thomson

You say in your submission that

“Compliant developers today should not be paying for poor practices by the construction industry of yesteryear”,

and you have been very critical about corner cutting in your exchanges with the convener, but my gentle challenge is, given that, why should either the UK Government or Scottish Government pay?